,IS PRIMITIVISM REALI/IC8 ,AN AN>*I/ REPLY TO ,JOHN ,Z]ZAN & O!RS 

,PEOPLE 3 

,AU?OR 3 ,&REW ,FLOOD 

,TEXT 3 

,LA/ YE> ,I PUBLI%$ ! >TICLE ',CIVILIZATION1 ,PRIMITIVISM & ,AN>*ISM' .<',PRIMITIVISM1 AN>*O-PRIMITIVISM & ANTI-CIVILISATIONISM3 CRITICISM'.> TO SKET* \T :AT ,I SAW AS ! GL>+ CONTRADICTIONS 9 PRIMITIVISM & :]E IT CLA%$ ) AN>*ISM4 ,PRIMITIVISM1 ,I >GU$1 WAS AN ABSURDITY ?AT C\LD NEV] HAPP5 )\T ! 'REMOVAL' ( ! VA/ MAJORITY ( ! WORLD'S POPULATION4 ,& F> FROM BE+ RELAT$ TO AN>*ISM IT WAS 9 CONTRADICTION ) ! BASIC T5ET ( AN>*ISM2 ! POSSIBILITY ( HAV+ A FREE MASS SOCIETY )\T A /ATE4 

,! >TICLE HAS CIRCULAT$ ON & (F-L9E OV] ! YE> & SP>K$ NUM]\S DISCUSSIONS4 ,A NUMB] ( PRIMITIVI/S1 9CLUD+ ,JOHN ,Z]ZAN .<#a.>1 HAVE REPLI$ DIRECTLY TO IT1 & O!RS HAVE PUBLI%$ :AT APPE> TO BE 9DIRECT REPLIES4 ,H]E ,I WANT TO ANSW] ! DIRECT REPLIES &1 9 DO+ SO1 EXP& ! CRITIQUE ( PRIMITIVISM4 

,! ORIG9AL ESSAY WAS ALSO US+ 'PRIMITIVISM' AS A /ALK+ HORSE TO ADDRESS :AT ,I SEE AS ONE ( ! MAJOR PROBLEMS 9 AN>*ISM AS IT APPE>S 9 ! ',5GLI% SPEAK+' WORLD4 ,?AT IS A L>GE-SCALE FAILURE TO TAKE ITSELF S]I\SLY4 ,SO-CALL$ 'AN>*O'-PRIMITIVISM IS ! MO/ OBVI\S EXAMPLE4 ,BUT SECTIONS ( ! ACTUAL AN>*I/ MOVEM5T HAVE ALSO CON/RUCT$ A SET ( IDEOLOGICAL POSITIONS ?AT ALMO/ SEEM DESIGN$ TO MAKE SUCCESSFUL MASS WORK IMPOSSIBLE4 ,L>GE SECTIONS ( ! AN>*I/ MOVEM5T SEEM TO HAVE =GOTT5 ?AT ! GOAL ( AN>*ISM IS TO *ANGE ! WORLD1 NOT SIMPLY TO PROVIDE A CRITIQUE ( ! LEFT OR BE A M9OR ?ORN 9 ! SIDE ( ! /ATE4 

,IS PRIMITIVISM REALI/IC8 

,?IS REPLY CONT9UES 9 ! SAME VE91 ON ! SURFACE IT IS AB\T PRIMITIVISM BUT Y\ DON'T HAVE TO DIG ?AT DEEP TO SEE ?AT SOME ( ! CRITICISMS CAN BE APPLI$ 9 A MORE G5]AL S5SE4 ,A GOOD PLACE TO />T 9 ?AT CONTEXT IS ) A PO/] CALL+ HIMSELF ,>AGON :O PO/$ ON MORE ?AN ONE ( ! SITES ?AT C>RI$ ! ORIG9AL >TICLE4 ,9 A COMM5T ON ,AN>*I/,NEWS4ORG ,>AGON /ATES ?AT ,FLOOD 0SEEMS TO FOCUS HIS CRITIQUE ON :AT HE CALLS ! QUE/ION ( :E!R PRIMITIVISM PROVIDES 'ANY SORT ( REALI/IC ALT]NATIVE' :I* ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE A BIZ>RE METRIC = AN AN>*I/ TO USE AS MEASUREM5T0 .<#b.>4 ,?IS IS ! /ATEM5T ?AT 9SPIR$ ! TITLE ( ?IS ESSAY4  ,H]E WE HAVE SOMEONE :O OP5LY PROCLAIMS IT TO BE 0BIZ>RE0 TO EV5 ASK IF PRIMITIVISM PROVIDES A REALI/IC ALT]NATIVE TO CAPITALISM4 

,F> FROM BE+ A REFUTATION TO ! ORIG9AL ESSAY ?IS RE9=CES ! C5TRAL PO9T ( IT4 ,?AT !RE IS NO WAY ! ADVOCATES ( PRIMITIVISM C\LD TAKE ! IDEA S]I\SLY IF !Y ?\<T ITS CONSEQU5CES ?R\<4 ,A LOT ( PRIMITIVISM !ORY /RIKES ME AS ! WORK ( ?OSE :O LIKE PLAY+ ) IDEAS BUT REALLY HAVE NO IDEA ( H[ !SE IDEAS C\LD BE IMPLEM5T$4 ,AS ) ,>AGON :O EV5 F9DS ! IDEA ( IMPLEM5TATION ( HIS [N IDEAS 0BIZ>RE04 ,BUT ?IS IS ALSO A PROBLEM 9 ! AN>*I/ MOVEM5T4 ,ALL TOO (T5 PLANS >E DRAWN UP OR SLOGANS TROTT$ \T )\T ASK+ IF !Y >E REALI/IC4 ,CAN !Y ACTUALLY A*IEVE :AT !Y CLAIM TO BE AB\T8 ,! ONLY TE/ ?AT APPE>S TO BE US$ IS :E!R ! PLAN IS 'PURE' 5\<4 ,:AT SORT ( TE/ IS ?IS = ANY?+ EXCEPT P]HAPS = A RELIGI\S SECT8 

,! CORE ISSUE 

,G5]ALLY RESPONSES TO ! ESSAY FROM PRIMITIVI/S W]E (T5 A LOT MORE CON/RUCTIVE !N :AT ,I EXPECT$4 ,I EXPECT$ TO GET MO/LY ABUSE1 & ,I DID BUT A FEW DID ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS ! >GUM5TS4 ,H[EV] !RE WAS NO REAL ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS ! CORE PO9T ( MY ORIG9AL >TICLE4 ,:I* WAS ?AT ! 'POPULATION QUE/ION' MADE A JOKE \T ( ANY CLAIM BY PRIMITIVISM TO BE ANY?+ BEYOND A CRITIQUE ( ! WORLD4 ,?IS IS UNSURPRIS+ -- AS F> AS ,I CAN TELL !RE IS NO ANSW] TO ! V]Y OBVI\S PROBLEM ?AT EM]GES :5 Y\ COMP>E ! NUMB] ( PEOPLE LIV+ ON ! PLANET 7#f BILLION PLUS7 & ! OPTIMI/IC MAXIMUM ( #a MILLION 7#b.0 ( ?IS7 ?AT ! PLANET MI<T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IF CIVILIZATION WAS AB&ON$ = A RETURN TO A HUNT]-GA!R EXI/5CE .<#c.>4 

,I'LL SUMM>IZE MY >GUM5T FROM ! PREVI\S ESSAY4 ,PRIMITIVISM G5]ALLY >GUES ?AT ! DEVELOPM5T ( AGRICULTURE WAS :]E IT ALL W5T WRONG4 ,IT !RE=E IMPLIES WE %\LD RETURN TO PRE-AGRICULTURAL ME?ODS ( GETT+ FOOD1 ?AT IS HUNT]-GA!R+4  ,BUT AGRICULTURE ALL[S US TO GET VA/LY GREAT] QUANTITIES ( FOOD FROM A GIV5 >EA4  ,E/IMATES CAN BE MADE ( H[ MANY PEOPLE C\LD LIVE ON ! PLANET AS HUNT]-GA!RS BAS$ ON ! AM\NT ( FOOD ?AT W\LD BE AVAILABLE TO !M4  ,!SE E/IMATES SUGGE/ A MAXIMUM POPULATION ( >\ND #a MILLION4 

,?IS IS :AT IS CALL$ AN ',ELEPHANT 9 ! LIV+ ROOM' >GUM5T4  ,! QUE/ION ( :AT W\LD HAPP5 TO ! O!R #e1#i MILLION PEOPLE IS SO DOM9ANT ?AT IT MAKES DISCUSSION ( ! V>I\S O!R CLAIMS MADE BY PRIMITIVISM SEEM A WA/E ( TIME UNTIL ! POPULATION QUE/ION IS ANSW]$4  ,YET ! ONLY ATTEMPTS AT A RESPONSE %[$ A RA!R T\*+ FAI? 9 TE*NOLOGY & CIVILIZATION1 QUITE A SURPRISE .<#d.>4 ,?IS RESPONSE CAN BY SUMM>IZ$ AS ?AT SU* POPULATION R$UCTIONS CAN HAPP5 SL[LY OV] TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN BE CONV9C$ TO HAVE FEW] OR EV5 NO *ILDR54 

,!RE WAS NO ATTEMPT$ EXPLANATION = H[ CONV9C+ ! #f BILLION PEOPLE ( ! E>? TO HAVE NO *ILDR5 MI<T GO AHEAD4 ,PROGRAMS ?AT ADVOCATE L[] NUMB]S ( *ILDR5 >E H>DLY A NEW IDEA4 ,!Y HAVE ALREADY BE5 IMPLEM5T$ BO? NATIONALLY & GLOBALLY )\T MU* SUCCESS4 ,*9A'S 9FAM\S ',ONE ,*ILD' PROGRAM 9CLUDES A HI< DEGREE ( COMPULSION BUT HAS NOT EV5 RESULT$ 9 A POPULATION DECREASE4 ,*9A'S POPULATION IS =ECA/ TO GR[ BY #a TO #be MILLION BY #b#b#e4 ,AN EXPLANATION ( H[ PRIMITIVI/S HOPE TO A*IEVE BY P]SUASION :AT O!RS HAVE ALREADY FAIL$ TO DO BY COMPULSION IS NE$$ YET NO SU* ATTEMPT TO EV5 SKET* ?IS \T EXI/S4 

,AS IF ?IS WAS NOT DIFFICULT 5\< = PRIMITIVI/S ! IMPLICATIONS ( O!R >GUM5TS !Y MAKE TURN AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK 9TO AN EV5 MORE IMPOSSIBLE TASK4  ,= PRIMITIVI/ >GUM5TS NORMALLY 9CLUDE ! IDEA ?AT CIVILIZATION IS AB\T TO CREATE A MAJOR CRISIS ?AT WILL EI!R 5D1 OR COME CLOSE TO 5D+ LIFE ON ! PLANET4  ,:E!R CAUS$ BY PEAK OIL1 GLOBAL W>M+ OR ANO!R SIDE EFFECT ( TE*NOLOGY WE >E TOLD ?IS CRISIS IS AT BE/ A FEW DECADES AWAY4 

,EV5 IF PRIMITIVI/S C\LD MAGICALLY CONV9CE ! 5TIRE POPULATION ( ! PLANET TO HAVE FEW OR NO *ILDR5 ?IS PROCESS C\LD ONLY R$UCE ! POPULATION OV] G5]ATIONS4  ,BUT IF A CRISIS IS ONLY DECADES AWAY !RE IS NO TIME = ?IS /RATEGY4 ,= EV5 IF #i.0 ( ! POPULATION WAS TO BE MAGICALLY CONV9C$ TOMORR[ IT W\LD /ILL TAKE DECADES = ! POPULATION TO R$UCE TO ! #a MILLION OR LESS ?AT C\LD BE SUPPORT$ BY HUNT]-GA!R+4  ,& 9 ! REAL WORLD !RE IS NO ME*ANISM = MAGICALLY CONV9C+ PEOPLE ( ANY >GUM5T -- NOT LEA/ ONE ?AT REQUIRES !M TO IGNORE :AT MANY PEOPLE F9D TO BE A FUNDAM5TAL BIOLOGICAL DRIVE TO HAVE *ILDR54  ,SOME ( ! OLD] PRIMITIVI/S ,I KN[ EV5 HAVE *ILDR5 !MSELVES4 ,IF !Y CAN'T CONV9CE !MSELVES !N :Y DO !Y ?9K !Y CAN CONV9CE EV]YONE ELSE8 

,! CONTRADICTION BETWE5 !SE TWO POSITIONS IS SO OBVI\S ?AT ,I CAN ONLY CONCLUDE ?AT ?OSE PRIMITIVI/S :O HAVE PUT =W>D ?IS 'CONV9CE EV]YONE TO HAVE FEW] BABIES' POSITION HAVE ONLY DONE SO 9 ORD] TO %ORE UP !IR FAI?4 ,IT IS AN >GUM5T 9V5T$ TO TRY & HIDE ! ELEPHANT 9 ! LIV+ ROOM BUT REALLY IT ONLY HIDES IT FROM !MSELVES4  ,IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE H[ !Y C\LD EXPECT ANYONE ELSE TO F9D IT A CONV9C+ ANSW] TO ! POPULATION QUE/ION4 

,Z]ZAN'S REPLY 

,JOHN ,Z]ZAN'S REPLY TO MY ESSAY 9CLUD$ A V>IATION ( ?IS DEF5SE ( PRIMITIVISM4 

0,IT C\LD ALSO BE NOT$ ?AT POPULATION IS H>DLY A GIV54 ,IT SEEMS TO BE MORE AN EFFECT ?AN A CAUSE1 = 9/ANCE3 AN EFFECT ( DOME/ICATION AB ORIG9O 7,LAT9 = 'FROM ! BEG9N+_/FROM ! S\RCE'  .<#e.>71 IF WE >E TALK+ AB\T CIVILIZATION4 ,& SO IT SEEMS TO ME LIKELY ?AT ! NUMB]S MI<T COME D[N FAIRLY QUICKLY W]E WE TO MOVE AWAY FROM DOME/ICATION4 ,I DO NOT KN[ ANYONE :O SAYS ?IS C\LD HAPP5 OV]NI<T1 ,FLOOD TO ! CONTR>Y40.<#f.> 

,WELL FIR/ (F POPULATION IS A GIV54 ,I AM NOT IMAG9+ ?AT !RE >E #f BILLION PEOPLE ON ! E>? -- !RE >E SIX BILLION PLUS ON ! PLANET4 ,WE CANNOT SIMPLY WI% ?AT !RE W]E #a MILLION4 ,!RE >E #f BILLION & ?IS IS A FIGURE ?AT IS =ECA/ TO RISE4 ,:ATEV] AB\T ! =CES ?AT DROVE ! DEVELOPM5T ( AGRICULTURE #a#b1 YE>S AGO 7:]E !RE IS A DEBATE AB\T CAUSE & EFFECT7 ! REALITY TODAY IS ?AT /OPP+ ! CULTIVATION ( ALL DOME/IC PLANTS & ANIMALS W\LD RESULT 9 ! DEA? BY />VATION ( #e4#i BILLION PEOPLE4 ,SO YES A MOVE AWAY FROM DOME/ICATION W\LD 9DE$ MEAN ?AT 0NUMB]S MI<T COME D[N FAIRLY QUICKLY03 />VATION ONLY TAKES A FEW MON?S4 

,Z]ZAN IS ALSO MISQUOT+ ME4  ,I NEV] CLAIM$ ?AT SOME PRIMITIVI/S SAID CIVILIZATION HAD TO GO 0OV]NI<T04 ,ONE CAN SEE :Y ,Z]ZAN NE$$ TO 9V5T ?IS P>TICUL> R$ H]R+1 LIKE O!R PRIMITIVI/S HE BELIEVES ?AT TIME IS RUNN+ \T4 ,9 AN 9T]VIEW ) FELL[ PRIMITIVI/ ACADEMIC ,D]RICK ,J5S51 ,Z]ZAN HIMSELF SAID 09 A FEW DECADES !RE WON'T BE MU* LEFT TO FI<T =4 ,ESPECIALLY :5 Y\ CONSID] ! ACCEL]ATION ( 5VIRONM5TAL DEGRADATION & P]SONAL DEHUMANIZATION40 ,AGA9 ,I'LL PO9T \T IF WE ONLY HAVE 0A FEW DECADES0 ?IS IS H>DLY ! TIME SPAN 9 :I* A 'VOLUNT>Y' R$UCTION ( ! E>?'S POPULATION BY SOME #i#h.0 C\LD OCCUR4 ,9 P>TICUL> AS ! ,E>?'S POPULATION IS ACTUALLY =ECA/ TO RISE TO P]HAPS TO AS MU* AS #a BILLION 9 ?AT TIME4 

,! EVASIVE LANGUAGE ,Z]ZAN USES 9 HIS RESPONSE TO ME IS TYPICAL ( ! PRIMITIVI/ APPROA* TO ! POPULATION QUE/ION4 ,& AL?\< HE MI<T ?R[ \T ! R$ H]R+ ?AT 0,I DO NOT KN[ ANYONE :O SAYS ?IS C\LD HAPP5 OV]NI<T 09 ! ORIG9AL ESSAY ,I ACTUALLY QUOT$ SOME PRIMITIVI/S :O EI!R SAW ! COLLAPSE ( CIVILIZATION AS A %ORT T]M 9EVITABILITY OR :O WORSE -- LIKE ,D]RICK ,J5S5 -- WANT$ TO BR+ IT ON4 ,AS ,I PO9T$ \T 9 ! ORIG9AL >TICLE1 ,J5S5 IS ON RECORD AS WRIT+ 0,I WANT CIVILIZATION BR\<T D[N & ,I WANT IT BR\<T D[N N[0.<#g.>4 ,9 FACT S9CE MY >TICLE WAS PUBLI%$ HE HAS TAK5 ?IS FUR!R ) A CALL = CONCRETE ACTION 0,WE NE$ PEOPLE TO TAKE \T DAMS1 & WE NE$ PEOPLE TO KNOCK \T ELECTRICAL 9FRA/RUCTURES0 .<#h.>4 ,SO :ILE ,Z]ZAN MAY BE SM>T 5\< TO BE EVASIVE ON ?IS NOT ALL ( HIS FOLL[]S >E .<#i.>4 ,& :ILE ,Z]ZAN MAY HAVE =GOTT5 ,J5S5 HE DOES KN[ HIM -- AT LEA/ HE WAS 9T]VIEW$ BY HIM 9 #b .<#a.> & ! #a1 WORD 9T]VIEW ?AT WAS PUBLI%$ :I* W\LD SUGGE/ !Y HAVE AT LEA/ SP5T SOME H\RS 9 EA* O!RS COMPANY4 

,Z]ZAN1 LIKE O!R PRIMITIVI/S1 CONT9UES TO EVADE ! LOGIC ( HIS [N POSITION4 ,IT'S ALL V]Y WELL TO TALK ( A GRADUAL POPULATION R$UCTION BUT JU/ H[ DOES HE ?9K PRIMITIVI/S >E GO+ TO A*IEVE A POPULATION R$UCTION FROM #f BILLION TO 4#a BILLION 09 A FEW DECADES08  ,:AT W\LD BE GRADUAL AB\T ?IS8  ,?IS W\LD REQUIRE A BAN ON ALL BUT #b.0 ( ! E>?'S POPULATION HAV+ ANY *ILDR5 AT ALL6 

,! BALL IS REALLY 9 ,Z]ZAN'S C\RT2 HE NE$S TO DEMON/RATE A ME*ANISM = A NON-COMPULSORY & RAPID R$UCTION 9 POPULATION ?AT W\LD REQUIRE ! VA/ MAJORITY ( ! E>?'S POPULATION TO BE HAPPY TO HAVE NO *ILDR5 AT ALL4 ,HE NE$S TO EXPLA9 H[ HE CAN EV5 EXPLA9 ?IS MESSAGE TO ALL ( ! PEOPLE 9 ! WORLD -- NEV] M9D CONV9CE !M ( IT4 ,& ,Z]ZAN NE$S A 'VOLUNT>Y' ME*ANISM ( 5SUR+ ?AT ?OSE HE FAILS TO CONV9CE DO NOT UND]M9E ?IS R$UCTION1 = 9/ANCE RELIGI\S OR O!R M9ORITIES :O DISAGREE ) ! PRIMITIVI/S & *OOSE TO HAVE MANY *ILDR5 4 ,& ALL ?IS HAS TO HAPP5 )9 HIS [N DEADL9E ( 0A FEW DECADES04 ,) ?IS SORT ( BURD5 ( PRO( IT IS EASY TO SEE :Y PRIMITIVI/S >E NOT SO KE5 ON DEMON/RAT+ ?AT !Y HAVE A REALI/IC ALT]NATIVE4 

,! NA/Y SIDE 

,?OSE NOT BL9D$ BY IDEOLOGY LOOK+ AT ?IS BURD5 ( PRO( WILL CONCLUDE EI!R ?AT PRIMITIVISM IS ( NO PRACTICAL USE OR ?AT ?OSE PRIMITIVI/S :O >E RATIONAL & /ILL HOLD TO PRIMITIVISM HAVE SOME PROGRAM !Y >E NOT REVEAL+4 ,QUITE CLE>LY SOME ( ?OSE :O SEE !MSELVES AS PRIMITIVI/S DO FAVOR DIE (FS OR ADVOCATE POLICIES ?AT W\LD MAKE !M 9EVITABLE4 ,J5S5'S CALL = PEOPLE 0TO TAKE \T DAMS 444 TO KNOCK \T ELECTRICAL 9FRA/RUCTURES0 W\LD RESULT 9 L>GE NUMB]S ( DEA?S IF ANY NUMB] ( PEOPLE W]E TO TAKE HIM S]I\SLY4 ,IT'S JU/ A TON$ D[N V]SION ( ,/EVE ,BOO?'S LAUD+ ( ! ,TOKYO ,S>9 ATTACKS & ,BOO?'S FANTASY 9 ,GRE5 ,AN>*I/ ?AT 0,ONE DAY ! GR\PS WILL BE TOTALLY SECRETIVE & !IR ME?ODS ( FUMIGATION WILL BE COMPLETELY EFFECTIVE40 ,!SE SORTS ( MURD]\S ANTI-HUMAN S5TIM5TS >E NOT ONLY TOL]AT$ )9 PRIMITIVISM BUT !IR AU?ORS >E PROMOT$ -- Y\'LL F9D !IR ESSAYS UNCRITICALLY REPRODUC$ ALL OV] ! WEB & 9 V>I\S PR9T PUBLICATIONS4 

,MY PREVI\S ESSAY PRODUC$ H[LS ( \TRAGE BECAUSE ,I PO9T$ \T ! EXI/5CE ( SU* WRIT+S4  ,BUT ! PROBLEM H]E IS NOT ?AT ,I PO9T \T !IR EXI/5CE1 IT IS ?AT ! PRIMITIVI/S IGNORE !M UNTIL IT IS PO9T$ \T4 ,YET !Y WORK ) !SE PEOPLE1 !Y PUBLI% !SE PEOPLE & !N !Y %UFFLE >\ND ) EMB>RASSM5T & CRY UNFAIR :5 :AT !Y SAY IS PO9T$ \T4 ,& IT IS NOT JU/ ! PRIMITIVI/S EV5 SECTIONS ( ! AN>*I/ MOVEM5T 9 ! NAME ( MA9TA9+ A BROAD *UR* UNCRITICALLY PUBLI% ,J5S5 & 9VITE HIM TO ADDRESS MEET+S4 ,?IS IS QUITE A/\ND+ GIV5 ! CONSEQU5CES ( :AT HE IS ADVOCAT+4 ,I CAN ONLY PRESUME HE IS TOL]AT$ 9 SOME AN>*I/ CIRCLES BECAUSE ( ! G5]AL CONFUSION ?AT EQUATES MILITANT TACTICS ) MILITANT POLITICS1 =GETT+ ?AT ELEM5TS ( ! F> RI<T CAN ALSO USE MILITANT TACTICS4 

,!RE IS NO CRITIQUE ( ! DIE (F PO9T ( VIEW FROM ?OSE :O CALL !MSELVES 'AN>*O'-PRIMITIVI/S4 ,Z]ZAN IS HAPPY TO DO A L5G?Y 9T]VIEW ) SOMEONE :O SAYS HE WANTS 0CIVILIZATION BR\<T D[N & ,I WANT IT BR\<T D[N N[0 )\T EV5 BR++ ! CONSEQU5CES ( SU* A POSITION UP ) !M4 ,IF HE WANT$ TO DI/ANCE HIMSELF FROM ,J5S5 HE HAS ALREADY HAD ! OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO4 

,! C5TRALITY ( ! AGRICULTURAL REVOLUTION 

,ELSE:]E ,Z]ZAN HAS WRITT5 ( ! DEVELOPM5T ( AGRICULTURE ?AT2 

0,! DEBAS+ ( LIFE 9 ALL SPH]ES1 N[ PROCE$+ AT A QUICK5+ PACE1 /EMS FROM ! DYNAMICS ( CIVILIZATION ITSELF4 ,DOME/ICATION ( ANIMALS & PLANTS1 A PROCESS ONLY #a1 YE>S OLD1 HAS P5ETRAT$ EV]Y SQU>E 9* ( ! PLANET4 ,! RESULT IS ! ELIM9ATION ( 9DIVIDUAL & COMMUNITY AUTONOMY & HEAL?1 AS WELL AS ! RAMPANT1 ACCEL]AT+ DE/RUCTION ( ! NATURAL WORLD0 .<#a#a.> 

,?IS IS RELEVANT BECAUSE A NUMB] ( PEOPLE :O REPLI$ OBJECT$ TO ME *OOS+ ! DEVELOPM5T ( AGRICULTURE AS ! PO9T AT :I* CIVILIZATION CAN BE SAID TO HAVE DEVELOP$ .<#a#b.>4 ,BUT AS ! ORIG9AL ESSAY EXPLA9$1 0,( C\RSE CIVILIZATION IS A RA!R G5]AL T]M 44 ,= ! PURPOSES ( ?IS >TICLE ,I'M TAK+ AS A />T+ PO9T ?AT ! =M ( FUTURE SOCIETY ?AT PRIMITIVI/S >GUE = W\LD BE BROADLY SIMIL> 9 TE*NOLOGICAL T]MS TO ?AT :I* EXI/$ >\ND #a#b1 YE>S AGO ON E>?1 AT ! DAWN ( ! AGRICULTURAL REVOLUTION04 ,I C\LD HAVE PICK$ AN OLD] DATE -- ! FIR/ CAVE PA9T+S = 9/ANCE BUT ?IS W\LD NOT ONLY HAVE BE5 MORE >BITR>Y BUT W\LD HAVE PRES5T$ AN EV5 GREAT] POPULATION PROBLEM = ! PRIMITIVI/S4 

,I C\LD HAVE PICK$ A MORE REC5T DATE BUT ?IS W\LD H>DLY HAVE HELP$ ! PRIMITIVI/S   AS !Y !N W\LD HAVE HAD TO 9CLUDE MANY ( ! FEATURES ( CIVILIZATION -- 9CLUD+ ! /ATE -- 9 !IR PRIMITIVE UTOPIA4 ,&1 AS \R ABILITY TO SUPPORT A L>GE POPULATION HAS ESCALAT$ %>PLY 9 REC5T YE>S1 EV5 A 'PRIMITIVE' SOCIETY ?AT ONLY AIM$ TO RETURN TO  SAY1 #ah W\LD /ILL HAVE TO GET RID ( ! MAJORITY ( ! E>?'S POPULATION4 ,EVASION ASIDE1 IT IS QUITE CLE> ?AT FROM ! PRIMITIVI/ PO9T ( VIEW IT WAS ! AGRICULTURAL REVOLUTION & ! *ANGES ?AT HAPP5$ ALONGSIDE ?IS :]E ?+S W5T BAD4 

,= UND]/&ABLE REASONS 7NOT WANT+ TO DEAL ) ! POPULATION QUE/ION7 PRIMITIVI/S & !IR FELL[ TRAVEL]S T5D TO AVOID ANY DATE EV5 AS G5]AL AS ! AGRICULTURAL REVOLUTION4 ,BUT IT'S ! ONE ,I *OOSE TO WORK ) & ?IS APPE>S TO BE FAIR 5\< ) ?OSE PRIMITIVI/S MORE WILL+LY TO OP5LY >GUE !IR POSITION4 ,AGRICULTURE ALSO SEEMS A V]Y LOGICAL />T+ PO9T BECAUSE AGRICULTURE IS :AT MAKES A MASS SOCIETY POSSIBLE4 ,HUNT]-GA!RS CAN'T GA!R 9 L>GE GR\PS = A LONG P]IOD BECAUSE !Y EXHAU/ LOCAL FOOD S\RCES4 ,NOR DO SMALL GR\PS ( HUNT]-GA!RS G5]ALLY HAVE ! SURPLUS FOOD REQUIR$ TO DEVELOP A HI< DEGREE ( SPECIALIZATION ( LABOR1 & ANY SPECIALIZATION IS A BAD ?+ ACCORD+ TO MO/ PRIMITIVI/S4 

,I ALSO ?9K ITS H>D TO CON/RUCT A COH]5T PRIMITIVISM ?AT DOES NOT EXCLUDE AGRICULTURE S9CE ! DAWN ( AGRICULTURE & CLASS SOCIETY SEEM TO OCCUR TOGE!R4 ,?IS FACT HAS BE5 UND]/OOD ON ! LEFT AT LEA/ AS F> BACK AS ,5GELS ',! ,ORIG9 ( ! ,FAMILY1 ,PRIVATE ,PROP]TY & ! ,/ATE' & ,I'LL DISCUSS ITS IMPLICATIONS NEXT4  ,BUT 9 T]MS ( ! OV]ALL >GUM5T AB\T FOOD PRODUCTION ?IS IS A SIDE >GUM5T -- ! E>?S CURR5T POPULATION REQUIRES ! AGRICULTURAL TE*NOLOGY ( ! LA/ #a ODD YE>S -- GO+ BACK TO PRIMITIVE AGRICULTURE IS NOT MU* MORE ( AN OPTION !N GO+ BACK TO ,HUNT]-GA!R+4 ,IT W\LD /ILL LEAVE BILLIONS ( FAC+ DEA? BY />VATION4 

,IS PRIMITIVISM A BRAN* ( AN>*ISM8 

,IT IS TRUE ?AT AGRICULTURE IS REQUIR$ BE=E ! SURPLUS IS G5]AT$ ON :I* A /ATE /RUCTURE CAN BE BUILT4 ,?IS IS AB\T ! ONLY >GUM5T ! PRIMITIVI/S HAVE -- ! /ATE HAS ALWAYS BE5 A FEATURE ( CIVILIZATION4 ,! *ALL5GE = ?OSE :O WANT TO ABOLI% ! /ATE -- & ?IS HAS ALWAYS BE5 UND]/OOD AS A C5TRAL *ALL5GE ( AN>*ISM FROM ! #a#h#f'S -- IS TO CREATE A CIVILIZATION ?AT DOES NOT HAVE ! ME*ANISMS ( /ATE REPRESSION ?AT ALL CIVILIZATIONS TO DATE HAVE HAD4 

,?IS BR+S ME ONTO ANO!R ISSUE ?AT UPSET SOME ( ?OSE :O WROTE REPLIES TO MY ESSAY4 ,TEAPOLITIK'S 0,PRIMITIVISM ISN'T1 9 ITSELF1 A CRITIQUE ( AN>*ISM AT ALL4 ,IT IS A SUPPLEM5T TO AN>*ISM0 IS ! BE/-DEVELOP$ EXPRESSION ( ?IS SORT ( REPLY4 ,TEAPOLITIK GOES ON TO ASS]T ?AT 0444CIVILIZATION 7& = SOME1 TE*NOLOGY1 AGRICULTURE1 LANGUAGE1 & O!R PRODUCTS ( HUMAN SOCIETY7 IS NOT COMPATIBLE ) ECOLOGICAL SU/A9ABILITY -- & ?AT ! P]SI/5CE ( CIVILIZATION1 :E!R FEUDAL1 CAPITALI/1 SOCIALI/ OR AN>*I/1 W\LD LEAD TO ! EV5TUAL DE/RUCTION ( ! LIFE-SU/A9+ QUALITIES ( ?IS PLANET40 .<#a#c.> 

,I ?9K ! CASE = PRIMITIVISM BE+ A BREAK ) RA!R ?AN A DEVELOPM5T ( AN>*ISM IS V]Y CLE> -- ,I \TL9$ ?IS AT SOME L5G? 9 MY ORIG9AL >TICLE4 ,! PRIMITIVI/ >GUM5T IS ESS5TIALLY ID5TICAL TO ! LIB]AL >GUM5T = :Y ! /ATE IS NECESS>Y4 ,! /ATE !Y CLAIM IS :AT ALL[S MASS SOCIETY TO EXI/ -- )\T ! /ATE WE W\LD HAVE '! W> ( ALL AGA9/ ALL'4 ,! PRIMITIVI/S AGREE BUT AS !Y >E ANTI-/ATE !Y >E !RE=E REQUIR$ TO ALSO BE ANTI-MASS SOCIETY4 ,YET ! ORIG9S ( AN>*ISM LIE 9 A MOVEM5T ?AT S\<T TO GO BEYOND ?IS SEEM+ CONTRADICTION -- A MOVEM5T BUILT ON ! IDEA ?AT Y\ C\LD HAVE A FREE SOCIETY )\T ! /ATE4 ,?IS WAS ! IDEOLOGICAL CORN] /ONE ON :I* AN>*ISM IS F\ND$4 

,BAKUN91 = 9/ANCE WRIT+ ON ,R\SSEAU'S ,!ORY ( ! ,/ATE1 WROTE 9 WORDS ?AT >E AS APPLICABLE TO ! CORE >GUM5T ( PRIMITIVISM AS !Y W]E AT ! TIME TO LIB]ALISM ?AT2 

0,ACCORD+ TO ! !ORY 44 PRIMITIVE M5 5JOY+ ABSOLUTE LIB]TY ONLY 9 ISOLATION >E ANTISOCIAL BY NATURE4 ,:5 =C$ TO ASSOCIATE !Y DE/ROY EA* O!R'S FRE$OM4 ,IF ?IS /RUGGLE IS UN*ECK$ IT CAN LEAD TO MUTUAL EXT]M9ATION40 ,BUT = AN>*I/S 0IT IS N[ PROV5 ?AT NO /ATE C\LD EXI/ )\T COMMITT+ CRIMES1 OR AT LEA/ )\T CONTEMPLAT+ & PLANN+ !M1 EV5 :5 ITS IMPOT5CE %\LD PREV5T IT FROM P]PETRAT+ CRIMES1 WE TODAY CONCLUDE 9 FAVOR ( ! ABSOLUTE NE$ ( DE/ROY+ ! /ATES4 ,OR1 IF IT IS SO DECID$1 !IR RADICAL & COMPLETE TRANS=MATION SO ?AT1 CEAS+ TO BE P[]S C5TRALIZ$ & ORGANIZ$ FROM ! TOP D[N1 BY VIOL5CE OR BY AU?ORITY ( SOME PR9CIPLE1 !Y MAY RECOGNIZE -- ) ABSOLUTE LIB]TY = ALL ! P>TIES TO UNITE OR NOT TO UNITE1 & ) LIB]TY = EA* ( !SE ALWAYS TO LEAVE A UNION EV5 :5 FREELY 5T]$ 9TO -- FROM ! BOTTOM UP1 ACCORD+ TO ! REAL NE$S & ! NATURAL T5D5CIES ( ! P>TIES1 ?R\< ! FREE F$]ATION ( 9DIVIDUALS1 ASSOCIATIONS1 COMMUNES1 DI/RICTS1 PROV9CES1 & NATIONS )9 HUMANITY40 .<#a#d.> 

,BAKUN9'S >GUM5T IS ?AT LIB]ALS 9SI/ ?AT L>GE NUMB]S ( PEOPLE CANNOT LIVE TOGE!R )\T A /ATE TO SUP]VISE !M AS !Y W\LD COME 9TO CONFLICT ) EA* O!R4  ,BUT AN>*I/S 9SI/ ?AT L>GE NUMB]S ( PEOPLE CAN COME TOGE!R & PRES]VE !IR FRE$OM ?\< A RANGE ( BOTTOM UP ORGANIZ+ ME?ODS4  ,MASS SOCIETY & FRE$OM >E POSSIBLE4 ,?IS IS SOME?+ PRIMITIVI/S D5Y4 

,9 A SIMIL> VE9 ,KROPOTK9 WROTE2 

0REC5T EVOLUTION444HAS PREP>$ ! WAY = %[+ ! NECESSITY & POSSIBILITY ( A HI<] =M ( SOCIAL ORGANIZATION ?AT MAY GU>ANTEE ECONOMIC FRE$OM )\T R$UC+ ! 9DIVIDUAL TO ! ROLE ( A SLAVE TO ! ,/ATE4 ,! ORIG9S ( GOV]NM5T HAVE BE5 C>EFULLY /UDI$1 & ALL METAPHYSICAL CONCEPTIONS AS TO ITS DIV9E OR 0SOCIAL CONTRACT0 D]IVATION HAV+ BE5 LAID ASIDE1 IT APPE>S ?AT IT IS AMONG US ( A RELATIVELY MOD]N ORIG91 & ?AT ITS P[]S HAVE GR[N PRECISELY 9 PROPORTION AS ! DIVISION ( SOCIETY 9TO ! PRIVILEG$ & UNPRIVILEG$ CLASSES WAS GR[+ 9 ! C\RSE ( AGES0 .<#a#e.> 

,H]E ,KROPTK9 IS >GU+ ?AT HUMANITY CAN CREATE =MS ( MASS ORGANIZATION ?AT DO NOT REQUIRE ! /ATE & :I* CAN CREATE ECONOMIC FRE$OM4  ,& :ILE ! LIB]ALS MAY >GUE ?AT ! /ATE IS REQUIR$ = ! EXI/5CE ( MASS SOCIETY ?IS SEEMS TO BE A REC5T >GUM5T 9V5T$ TO JU/IFY ! DIVISION ( SOCIETY 9TO CLASSES4 

,AS CAN BE SE5 -- FROM ! BEG9N+ -- AN>*ISM HAS 9CLUD$ A REJECTION ( ! CORE IDEA ( PRIMITIVISM -- ?AT !RE IS AN IRRECONCILABLE CONTRADICTION BETWE5 MASS SOCIETY & LIB]TY4 ,IT HAS S\<T ALT]NATIVE WAYS TO ORGANIZE MASS SOCIETY ?AT ELIM9ATE ! ROLE ( ! /ATE4 ,= !SE 0FREE F$]ATION ( 9DIVIDUALS1 ASSOCIATIONS1 COMMUNES1 DI/RICTS1 PROV9CES1 & NATIONS )9 HUMANITY0 >E ALL FEATURES ( MASS SOCIETY4 ,9 ! #a#h#f'S ! >GUM5T ?AT !RE WAS SU* AN IRRECONCILABLE CONTRADICTION WAS AN ANTI-AN>*I/ >GUM5T -- ONE ?AT ! AN>*I/S TOOK ! TIME TO REFUTE4 ,TO TRY & 9CORPORATE ! SAME >GUM5T 9TO AN>*ISM TODAY IS TO MAKE NONS5SE ( ! T]M AN>*ISM4 

,= SOME REASON !RE IS A V]Y /RONG T5D5CY 9 ! ,U,S,A = ! EM]G5CE ( IDEOLOGIES :I* USE ! LABEL AN>*I/ BUT :I* >E 9 REALITY AT ODDS ) AN>*ISM4 ,!RE HAVE BE5 AT LEA/ ?REE SU* /REAMS 9 ! LA/ TWO DECADES1 'AN>*O'-CAPITALISM1 PO/-LEFTISM & 'AN>*O'-PRIMITIVISM4 ,ALL ?REE HAVE US$ A SIMIL> ME?ODOLOGY ( TRY+ TO RE-LABEL AN>*ISM AS 'LEFT AN>*ISM' 7OR SOMETIMES 'R$ AN>*ISM'74 ,ALL ?REE HAVE %>$ ! SAME IDEOLOGICAL ANTI-COMMUNI/ 'RUGG$ 9DIVIDUALISM' BY :I* ALL =MS ( COLLECTIVE MASS ORGANIZATION CAN ONLY BE AU?ORIT>IAN4 

,IT IS H>D NOT TO WRITE ?IS (F AS SIMPLY A RADICAL REFLECTIONS ( ! /ATE IDEOLOGY ( ! ,U,S,A4 ,9 ! CASE ( PRIMITIVISM IT ALSO ACCEPTS ,GEORGE ,BU%'S CLAIMS ?AT ,U,S,A SOCIETY HAS TO HAVE ! C> CULTURE4  ,= ,BU% ?IS MEANS ! ,U,S,A HAS TO SACRIFICE ! 5VIRONM5T 9 ORD] TO MA9TA9 ITS CURR5T /&>D ( LIV+4 ,PRIMITIVISM ACCEPTS ! FIR/ CLAIM BUT UNLIKE ,BU% REJECTS ! PRICE AS TOO GREAT TO C>RY4 ,SO PRIMITIVISM SEEKS ! 5D ( CIVILIZATION ITSELF4 ,LIKE ,BU% IT ALSO SEEMS UNWILL+ TO ADMIT ?AT ELSE:]E ON ! PLANET PEOPLE ALREADY ORGANIZE !IR LIVES 9 WAYS ?AT HAVE A MU* L[] 5]GY DEM&4 ,EV5 ,WE/]N ,EUROPE :I* HAS A SIMIL> /&>D ( LIV+ TO ! ,U,S,A HAS P] P]SON A USE ( 5]GY HALF ?AT ( ! ,U,S,A4 

,TE*NOLOGY 

,! TE*NOLOGY QUE/ION CAUSES A HUGE AM\NT ( CONFUSION ) PRIMITIVI/S MIX+ UP A P>TICUL> =M OR CONSEQU5CE ( TE*NOLOGY ) ! TE*NOLOGY ITSELF4 ,I HAD TRI$ TO DEAL ) ?IS 9 ! ORIG9AL ESSAY US+ ! EXAMPLE ( MOTORIZ$ TRANSPORT4 ,YET SOME REPLIES W]E FROM PEOPLE 9 ! ,U,S,A :O C\LDN'T GET !IR HEADS >\ND ! IDEA ( ! TE*NOLOGY ( MOTORIZ$ TRANSPORT BE+ US$ 9 ANY O!R WAY ?AN ! WAY IT IS US$ 9 ! ,U,S,A4 ,!RE IT IS P]HAPS MORE REASONABLE = SOMEONE TO BELIEVE ?AT 0C> CULTURE C\LD NOT BE LIKELY ELIM9AT$ )\T DE/ROY+ CIVILIZATION0 .<#a#f.>4 ,U,S CULTURE & URBAN GEOGRAPHY MEANS ?AT RI<T N[ !RE >E HUGE >EAS ( ! C\NTRY :]E [N+ A C> IS PRETTY ESS5TIAL TO SURVIVAL4 

,BUT ?IS ISN'T TYPICAL ( ! RE/ ( ! WORLD1 NOT EV5 ( P>TS ( ! ,U,S4 ,IF Y\ LIV$ 9 ,MANHATTAN = 9/ANCE1 = DAY-TO-DAY LIFE A C> IS MORE ( A PROBLEM !N A REQUIREM5T4 ,PEOPLE ACROSS HUGE >EAS ( ! PLANET HAVE A V]Y L[ P]C5TAGE ( C> [N]%IP -- 9 ! MO/ P>T BECAUSE PEOPLE >E TOO POOR TO AF=D 9DIVIDUAL C>S4 ,YET ?OSE ) MONEY /ILL HAVE ACCESS TO MASS TRANSPORTATION4 ,IF Y\ GO ANY:]E 9 ,NOR? ,AFRICA Y\ CAN TRAVEL LONG DI/ANCES RAPIDLY & AT EASE1 REA*+ EV5 QUITE SMALL T[NS BECAUSE ! LACK ( 9DIVIDUAL C> [N]%IP HAS CREAT$ A M>KET = AN 9CR$IBLY SOPHI/ICAT$ NETWORK ( COLLECTIVE TAXIS4 ,!Y LEAVE FROM FIX$ PO9TS 9 EA* T[N :5EV] A VEHICLE IS FULL4 ,REALLY BUSY R\TES ALSO HAVE TRA9S & BUSSES4 ,! PO9T IS ?AT EV5 UND] CAPITALISM ALT]NATIVE WAYS ( DEAL+ ) ! NE$ = TRANSPORTATION ALREADY EXI/ -- !RE IS NO?+ 9EVITABLE AB\T ! 'C> CULTURE' ?AT IS A FEATURE ( H[ ! TE*NOLOGY ( ! 9T]NAL COMBU/ION 5G9E HAS BE5 US$ 9 ! ,U,S,A4 

,SOME ( ! REPLIES FOCUS$ ON MY TREATM5T ( TE*NOLOGY & 9 P>TICUL> ! CONT5TION ?AT ! ONLY WAY \T ( ! POPULATION CRISIS IS BO? MORE TE*NOLOGY & MORE ACCESS TO TE*NOLOGY4 ,UNSURPRIS+LY1 AS ,I US$ ! PEAK OIL !ORY 9 ! ORIG9AL ESSAY ?IS RESULT$ 9 DISCUSSION ON SOME ( ! SITES D$ICAT$ TO DISCUSS+ ,PEAK ,OIL4 ,OM> = 9/ANCE ?\<T ?IS MEANS ,I 0>GUE TE*NOLOGY AS ! SAVIOR0 .<#a#g.> -- O!RS EV5 ?\<T ?IS MEANT ,I WAS 9 FAVOR ( ATOMIC WEAPONS6 

,!SE MISUND]/&+S >E PROBABLY MY FAULT = /AT+ ! CASE TOO CRUDELY 9 ! ORIG9AL4 ,IT IS WOR? DEEP5+ ! DISCUSSION4 ,MY POSITION IT ?AT ! COMB9ATION ( MOD]N CAPITALISM & ! WAY IT USES TE*NOLOGY HAS GIV5 US AN UN/ABLE & UNSU/A9ABLE ECONOMIC SY/EM ?AT ONLY EV5 ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS ! 9T]E/S ( A SMALL M9ORITY ( ! PLANETS POPULATION4 ,& AL?\< ,I MAY NOT BELIEVE '! 5D IS NI<' ,I DO ACCEPT ?AT ?+S CANNOT GO ON AS !Y >E )\T MAJOR PROBLEMS4 

,( C\RSE BE+ AN AN>*I/ ,I ALREADY WANT TO OV]?R[ CAPITALISM & SEE ! ECONOMY RE/RUCTUR$ FROM TOP TO BOTTOM4 ,SO SAY+ ?+S CANNOT CONT9UE AS !Y >E PRES5TS ME ) NO DIFFICULTIES4 ,H[EV] UNLIKE SOME ,PEAK ,OIL 5?USIA/S & ALL PRIMITIVI/S ,I AM NOT WILL+ TO >GUE ?AT WE NE$ TO 'GO BACK' TO SOME SIMPL] TIME :5 LESS 5]GY 9PUTS W]E REQUIR$ BECAUSE ?AT W\LD 9VOLVE ACCEPT+ ! REMOVAL ( BILLIONS ( PEOPLE FROM ! PLANET4 

,A SOCIAL REVOLUTION ?AT NOT ONLY 9TRODUCES NEW TE*NOLOGY BUT RE-MODELS :AT ALREADY EXI/S IS ! ONLY LOGICAL WAY =W>D4 ,9 ?AT CONTEXT TE*NOLOGY IS :AT WE DO ) IT4 ,9 ! G5]AL S5SE IT IS NEI!R LIB]ATORY NOR REPRESSIVE4 ,P>TICUL> APPLICATIONS ( TE*NOLOGY MAY BE EI!R -- A RIFLE 9 ! H&S ( A ,U,S M>9E IS DIFF]5T 9 ?AT S5SE FROM A RIFLE 9 ! H&S ( A ,ZAPATI/A4 ,! BIR? CONTROL PILL C]TA9LY PLAYS A P>T 9 GIV+ WOM5 *OICES AB\T REPRODUCTION ?AT W]E PREVI\SLY H>D TO COME BY SAFELY4  ,IT ALSO ALL[S H]E TO CONTROL H] F]TILITY )\T ! COOP]ATION ( H] P>TN]4 ,ON ! O!R H& IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ?9K ( A POSITIVE USE ( ! ELECTRIC *AIR OR A NUCLE> BOMB4 

,IT IS ALSO TRUE ?AT ! DEVELOPM5T ( TE*NOLOGY MADE IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A SOCIETY :]E !RE WAS A DIVISION 9TO WORK]S & BOSSES4 ,ONCE Y\ CAN /ORE SURPLUS FOOD = 9/ANCE Y\ CAN HAVE ACCUMULATION ( MEAN+FUL WEAL? & SO ! ABILITY TO PAY ! SOLDI]1 ! POLICEMAN & ! EXECUTION]4 ,SO ! QUE/ION COMES D[N TO :E!R IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE A FREE TE*NOLOGICAL SOCIETY -- & AN>*ISM 9SI/S IT IS -- OR :E!R ! *OICE IS BETWE5 A PRIMITIVE 'FRE$OM' & AN OPPRESSIVE TE*NOLOGICAL SOCIETY4 

,! VA/ MAJORITY ( POLITICAL !ORIES1 P]HAPS ALL EXCEPT AN>*ISM1 DO 9DE$ CLAIM Y\ CANNOT HAVE A FREE TE*NOLOGICAL SOCIETY4 ,I ?9K IT IS WOR? HOP+ !Y >E WRONG EV5 IF WE HAVE NEV] AS YET HAD SU* A SOCIETY4  ,?AT A FREE TE*NOLOGICAL SOCIETY IS POSSIBLE IS -- AS ,I  HAVE >GU$ -- ! C5TRAL PO9T ( AN>*ISM4 

,SOME ( ! ODD] /UFF 

,! REPLIES ALSO 9CLUD$ >EAS ?AT 9 MY VIEW >E ( MU* LESS] IMPORTANCE .<#a#h.>4  ,AMONG ?OSE >E RESPONSES FROM SOME :O ATTEMPT TO BL5D PRIMITIVISM 9TO VEGET>IANISM OR EV5 VEGANISM .<#a#i.>4 ,?IS REALLY ONLY S]VES TO UND]L9E H[ SOME PRIMITIVI/S HAVE NOT REALLY GIV5 ANY S]I\S ?\<T TO :AT !Y ADVOCATE AT ALL -- V]Y FEW ECOSY/EMS C\LD SUPPORT VEGAN HUMANS ATTEMPT+ TO LIVE (F ! L& )\T AGRICULTURE4 ,AS F> AS ,I'M AW>E ALL 'PRIMITIVE' SOCIETIES ?AT EXI/ TODAY ON ! PLANET C>RY \T HUNT+ AS WELL AS GA!R+4 

,9 ?IS CONTEXT ,I AM 9DE$ A 0DAMN SPECIESI/0 :O DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM ) HUMANS 0EXPLOIT+ ! L& = Y\ [N GOOD 7TAK+ AWAY VITAL HABITAT & FE$+ GR\ND704 ,ECOLOGICAL DIV]SITY %\LD BE PRES]V$ BECAUSE IT IS 9 \R ABILITY TO DO SO & DO+ SO WILL BE GOOD = US RA!R ?AN BECAUSE WE PREF] TREES TO PEOPLE OR BECAUSE O!RWISE ! E>? WILL BE UPSET4 ,ALL ACTUALLY EXI/+ 'PRIMITIVE' PEOPLES >E 0SPECIESI/0 -- !Y HUNT ANIMALS4 ,! LUXURY ( SOME PEOPLE *OOS+ NOT TO EAT MEAT AT ALL IS A FEATURE ( CIVILIZATION4 

,AB/RACT OR SYMBOLIC -- :O C>ES8 

,I'LL ALSO DEAL ) ! REMA9D] (  ,Z]ZAN'S REPLY TO MY ORIG9AL ESSAY H]E AS HE IS ! ! LEAD+ LI<T ( 'AN>*O' PRIMITIVISM & ,I'D HATE PEOPLE TO ?9K ,I WAS AVOID+ P>T ( HIS >GUM5T44 ,! REMA9D] ( HIS REPLY READS2 

0,FLOOD PROBABLY KN[S ?AT NO:]E HAVE ,I REJECT$ 0AB/RACT ?\<T0 BUT IT BETT] S]VES HIS WEAK ASSAULT ON 0PRIMITIVISM0 TO SAY O!RWISE4 ,SOME ( \R ANCE/ORS W]E COOK+ ) FIRE #b MILLION YE>S AGO1 TRAVEL+ ON ! OP5 SEAS #h1 YE>S AGO4 ,& YET ! EVID5CE = SYMBOLIC CULTURE H>DLY GOES BACK #d1 YE>S4 ,?US1 IT W\LD SEEM1 !RE WAS 9TELLIG5CE ?AT PREC$$ :AT WE ?9K ( AS SYMBOLIC4 ,POSSIBLY A MORE DIRECT K9D 9 KEEP+ ) A MORE DIRECT CONNECTION ) ! NATURAL WORLD4 ,WELL1 ?IS IS A LONG TOPIC ?AT ,I WON'T TRY TO REHA% H]E4 ,ONE ?AT DOESN'T QUITE FIT ,FLOOD'S S\ND BYTE *>ACT]IZATION4440 .<#b.> 

,?IS SECTION APPE>S TO BE A REPLY TO :]E ,I WAS EXPLA9+ MY ME?ODOLOGY 9 *OOS+ 'AGRICULTURE' AS REPRES5T+ ! />T ( CIVILIZATION4 ,I'D ACTUALLY M5TION$ ,Z]ZAN ONLY TWICE 9 ! ORIG9AL >TICLE4 ,:Y MI<T ,I HAVE ?\<T ,Z]ZAN REJECT$ 'AB/RACT ?\<T'8 ,WELL P>TLY BECAUSE ,I HAD PRESUM$ 0SYMBOLIC ?\<T0 & 0AB/RACT ?\<T0 PRETTY MU* AM\NT$ TO ! SAME ?+4 ,BUT 9 ANY CASE ,Z]ZAN HAS ALSO APPE>$ TO SPECIFICALLY ATTACK 0AB/RACT ?\<T04 ,9 HIS ESSAY ON 0,NUMB]3 ,ITS ,ORIG9 & ,EVOLUTION0 .<#b#a.> HE WRITES1 0,MA? IS ! P>ADIGM ( AB/RACT ?\<T0 & !N 0,MA!MATICS IS REIFI$1 RITUALIZ$ ?\<T1 ! VIRTUAL AB&ONM5T ( ?9K+04 ,TO ME ?IS -- & SIMIL> S5TIM5TS ALONG ! SAME L9ES ELSE:]E 9 HIS ESSAY -- S\ND A LOT LIKE A REJECTION ( AB/RACT ?\<T4 

,9 HIS REPLY HE ALSO SEEMS KE5 TO TELL ME Y\ CAN HAVE 9TELLIG5CE )\T 0SYMBOLIC CULTURE04 ,I CAN ONLY AGREE -- GEESE = 9/ANCE MANAGE TO MIGRATE L>GE DI/ANCES BUT DON'T AS F> AS ,I'M AW>E PRODUCE ANY >T4 ,BUT HE MAY BE WRONG ?AT EVID5CE = SYMBOLIC CULTURE 9 HUMANS ONLY GOES BACK #d1 YE>S4 ,IAN ,WATTS ( ,UNIV]SITY ,COLLEGE ,LONDON CLAIMS R$ O*] & O!R R$ PIGM5TS W]E BE+ US$ AT LEA/ #a1 & #a#b1 YE>S AGO & ?AT 0NEW F9D+S 9 ,ZAMBIA & ! RE-DAT+ ( ! IMPORTANT ,BORD] ,CAVE SITE 9 ,S\? ,AFRICA PU% ! DATE ( ! E>LIE/ USE BACK FUR!R /ILL-P]HAPS TO #a#g1 YE>S AGO 9 ,ZAMBIA40 .<#b#b.> ,GIV5 ?AT ! 0OLDE/ FOSSIL EVID5CE = ANATOMICALLY MOD]N HUMANS IS AB\T #a#c1 YE>S OLD0 .<#b#c.> ?IS W\LD SUGGE/ SYMBOLIC CULTURE 7OR SYMBOLIC ?\<T7 IS AS OLD AS HOMO SAPI5S4 

,ANYWAY1 TO BE HONE/1 ,I'M ALL = AB/RACT ?\<T4 ,I LIKE ! ABILITY TO READ A TEXT1 TO ?9K AB\T ITS CONT5TS & P]HAPS !N TO >GUE AGA9/ IT4  ,?IS ABILITY IS :AT IS NE$$ TO CREATE FRE$OM1 IT HAS BE5 AT ! C5T] ( ALL MOD]N REVOLUTION>Y PROCESSES4 ,EV5 IF WE C\LD1 :Y W\LD WE WANT TO GIVE UP ! ABILITY TO ?9K AB/RACTLY8 

,CLASS CONFLICT8 

,TEAPOLITIK & O!R COMM5TATORS TAKE ISSUE ) ME PO9T+ \T ?AT EV5 IF A MAJOR 5VIRONM5TAL CRISIS RESULT$ 9 L>GE-SCALE DEA? & DE/RUCTION ?IS W\LD NOT NECESS>ILY MEAN ! 5D ( CAPITALISM4 ,TEAPOLITIK ASS]TS ?AT 0,A 'T9Y WEAL?Y ELITE' C\LD NOT POSSIBLY CONT9UE TO CONTROL VA/ NATURAL RES\RCES 9 ! EV5T ( COLLAPSE -- :5 ONE ELITE CAN NO LONG] HOLD A C>ROT 9 FRONT ( ?\S&S ( POOR1 ?OSE POOR WILL REVOLT40 ,?IS ASS]TION IS WI%FUL ?9K+ = TWO REASONS -- NOT LEA/ ?AT ! RUL+ CLASS HAS SELDOM MA9TA9$ P[] ?R\< DANGL+ ! C>ROT ALONE4 

,FIR/LY IT PRESUMES ?AT ! CRISIS WILL SOMEH[ CREEP UP ON ! RUL+ CLASS -- ?AT !Y WILL BE UNABLE TO REACT OR PREP>E = IT4 ,CAPITALISM IS V]Y MU* MORE ADAPTABLE ?AN ?IS4 ,= EXAMPLE !RE HAS BE5 A HUGE AM\NT ( RESE>* ON ALT]NATIVE 5]GY S\RCES OV] ! LA/ FEW YE>S AS SOME CAPITALI/S ANTICIPATE MAK+ A SUB/ANTIAL PR(IT \T ( PEAK OIL4  ,ON FLICK+ ?R\< A REC5T ISSUE ( ! ',ECONOMI/' MAGAZ9E -- :I* IS CLOSE TO BE+ A BIBLE = MANY ,C,E,O'S -- ,I NOTIC$ ?AT #f \T ( ! DOZ5 OR SO GLOSSY FULL PAGE ADS W]E TO DO ) ALT]NATIVES TO OIL OR 5]GY SAV+ TE*NOLOGIES LIKE HYBRID C>S4  ,! TRANSNATIONAL CORPORATION ,B,P 7,BRITI% ,PETROLEUM7 ,AMOCO REBR&$ ITSELF ,BEYOND ,PETROLEUM BACK 9 ! YE> #b4  ,AL?\< ?IS WAS RI<TLY SE5 AS AT ATTEMPT TO ,GRE5WA% IT WAS ALSO TO MANOVURE ITSELF = ! NEW 5]GY M>KETS ?AT W\LD OP5 UP AS OIL DECL9$4 

,ON A MORE LOCAL SCALE ! L>GE SCALE DE/RUCTION FROM ,HURRICANE ,KATR9A IS ACTUALLY BE+ US$ BY CAPITALISM TO RE/RUCTURE P>TS ( ! ,NEW ,ORLEANS ECONOMY 9 !IR 9T]E/S4 ,AN>*O HAS WRITT5 ?AT ,BU%'S PLANS = ,NEW ,ORLEANS AM\NT TO A2 

0BLANK %EET UPON :I* ! F>-RI<T WILL UNLEA% !IR PLANS = SOCIAL 5G9E]+4 ,*ILDR5 WILL GO TO S*OOL ) V\*]S4 ,WAGES WILL BE L[]$ & REGULATIONS WAIV$ TO ACCOMMODATE ! BOSSES4 ,! 5TIRE >EA WILL BECOME A FREE-5T]PRISE ZONE4 ,A FLAT TAX WILL BE IMPOS$4 ,ALL UND] ! GUISE ( ECONOMIC REVIVAL PREMIS$ ON ! BELIEF ?AT CORPORATIONS FRE$ FROM TRADES UNIONS1 WORK]S RI<TS1 5VIRONM5TAL RE/RICTIONS & TAXES WILL REAP HUGE PR(ITS & ?OSE PR(ITS WILL GR[ ! PIE = EV]YBODY0 .<#b#d.>4 

,?IS IS ! WAY CAPITALISM WORKS -- CRISIS >E OPPORTUNITIES = NEW 9VE/M5T = ?OSE COMPANIES 9 FAVOR 7E4G4 ,HALLIBURTON 9 ,IRAQ7 & EXCUSES TO IMPOSE CUTS ON ! WORK+ CLASS 7E4G4 ! 9TRODUCTION ( ! B9 TAX 9 ,DUBL974 ,MASS DEA? & DE/RUCTION HAVE (T5 BE5 A C5TRAL P>T ( ! DEVELOPM5T ( CAPITALISM -- NOT A ?REAT TO IT4 ,= CAPITALISM !Y CAN BE OPPORTUNITIES TO REMOVE 'UNPRODUCTIVE PEOPLE' FROM ! L&4 7E4G4 ,IRI% FAM9E ( ! #a#h#d'S74 ,MU* ( ! ORIG9AL WEAL? ON :I* CAPITALISM WAS F\ND$ WAS P>T & P>CEL ( ! PROCESS ?AT ALMO/ 5TIRELY WIP$ \T ! 9DIG5\S PEOPLE ( ! ,AM]ICA'S4 ,TODAY T5S ( MILLIONS ( PEOPLE DIE EV]Y YE> FROM DISEASES ?AT >E EASILY PREV5TABLE4 

,!RE IS ALSO NO?+ AUTOMATIC AB\T POV]TY OR A DECL9E 9 LIV+ /&>DS BE+ MET ) MASS REVOLT4  ,CAPITALISM1 & ! M>KET 9 P>TICUL>1 IS ALSO AN 9BUILT ME*ANISM ?\< :I* ! POPULATION >E 5C\RAG$ TO ACCEPT ! HO>D+ ( SC>CE RES\RCES AS NATURAL4 ,9 ! WE/ TODAY ?IS MEANS ! RI* HAVE ACCESS TO FA/ C>S1 LUXURY HOMES & PRIVATE YA*TS -- NOT ?AT MU* ( A H>D%IP = ! RE/ ( US4 ,BUT ELSE:]E 9 ! WORLD ! RI* HAVE ACCESS TO !SE ?+S :ILE ! POOR LIT]ALLY />VE 9 ! /REETS4 ,IF !RE WAS TO BE A REAL CRISIS 9 WORLD FOOD PRODUCTION !N ?IS IS :AT W\LD VISIT ! WORK+ CLASS 9 ! ,U,S,A & BEYOND4 ,TO A M9OR EXT5T ?IS IS :AT HAPP5$ 9 DEPRESSION ]A ,AM]ICA & 9 PO/ W> ,EUROPE4 ,9 NEI!R CASE DID IT LEAD TO SIGNIFICANT REVOLTS NEV] M9D ! COLLAPSE ( CIVILIZATION4 

,! SECOND REASON :Y A MAJOR CRISIS W\LD NOT AUTOMATICALLY LEAD TO ! FALL ( CAPITALISM IS MORE BRUTAL4  ,! NE$ TO SPELL IT \T SIMPLY REFLECTS ! RA!R NAIVE ?9K+ ( A LOT ( PRIMITIVI/S :5 IT COMES TO ! RU?LESS NATURE ( CAPITALISM4 ,JAY ,G\LD ! ,U,S F9ANCI] @& RAILROAD BUS9ESSMAN SUMM$ UP ?IS NATURE :5 HE SAID1 0,I CAN HIRE ONE HALF ( ! WORK+ CLASS TO KILL ! O!R HALF40 ,\TSIDE ( A REC5T BRIEF P]IOD 9 ,WE/]N ,EUROPE & ! ,U,S,A CAPITALISM HAS R\T9ELY DEPLOY$ 5ORM\S REPRESSIVE =CES TO DEFEAT REBELLION4 ,9 ! #a#i#g'S IT CREAT$ MILIT>Y DICTATOR%IPS1 :I* KILL$ T5S ( ?\S&S ( PEOPLE ACROSS ,S\? ,AM]ICA4 ,9 ,C5TRAL ,AM]ICA 9 ! #a#i#h'S IT KILL$ HUNDR$S ( ?\S&S4 

,!RE HAVE BE5 MOM5TS 9 HI/ORY :5 ! RUL+ CLASS WAS AT LEA/ BRIEFLY DEFEAT$ -- ! ,RUSSIAN & ,SPANI% REVOLUTIONS BE+ ! MO/ COMMON EXAMPLES4 ,BUT ?IS WAS NOT A SIMPLE PRODUCT ( DESP]ATION -- IF DESP]ATION L$ TO REVOLUTION ?AN REVOLUTION W\LD HAVE SWEPT ! ,AFRICAN RUL+ CLASS AWAY YE>S AGO4 ,IT WAS ALSO A PRODUCT ( REVOLUTION>Y ORGANIZATION /RET*+ OV] DECADES & A SET ( REVOLUTION>Y IDEAS ?AT C\LD UNITE PEOPLE 9 ! /RUGGLE = A BETT] WORLD4 ,L>GE-SCALE CRISIS CAN 9DE$ BR+ AB\T L>GE-SCALE UPHEAVALS BUT )\T A POSITIVE REVOLUTION>Y PROGRAM ?AT UNITES PEOPLE SU* UPHEAVALS ALWAYS 5D UP ) A NEW FACTION ( ! RUL+ CLASS 9 ! DRIV+ SEAT4 ,9 FACT CAPITALISM & ! RUL+ CLASS >E SO FLEXIBLE ?AT !Y CAN UND]GO APP>5T DEFEAT ONLY TO 5D UP BACK 9 CONTROL 9 A NEW =M )9 YE>S -- AS HAPP5$ 9 ,RUSSIA AFT] #a#i#a#g4 

,SO YES1 UNLESS WE >E ORGANIZ$ ON A MASS SCALE A 0T9Y WEAL?Y ELITE0 WILL 9DE$ 0CONT9UE TO CONTROL VA/ NATURAL RES\RCES 9 ! EV5T ( COLLAPSE04 ,!Y HAVE HUNDR$S ( YE>S ( EXP]I5CE ( DO+ JU/ ?AT4  ,& !Y WON'T JU/ USE ! MU*-DEPLET$ C>ROT TO DO SO1 !Y ALSO HAVE ! /ICK & = MU* ( WORLD HI/ORY IT IS ! /ICK RA!R ?AN ! C>ROT ?AT HAS HAD ! LEAD ROLE 9 KEEP+ PEOPLE 9 L9E4 ,TE*NOLOGICAL DEVELOPM5TS MEAN ONE MAN 9 A HELICOPT] CAN PROVIDE ! SAME LEVEL ( '/ICK' ?AT PREVI\SLY AN >MY ( HUNDR$S WAS REQUIR$ =4 ,!Y CAN /ILL HIRE ONE HALF ( ! WORK+ CLASS TO KILL ! O!R HALF BUT 9 REPRESSION AS ) O!R >EAS !SE DAYS !Y >E ABLE TO D[NSIZE4 

,HOPE = ! FUTURE 

,PRIMITIVISM (F]S NO HOPE & NO PROGRAM = A REVOLUTION>Y *ANGE ( SOCIETY4 ,IT 9CLUDES SOME ( ! MO/ REACTION>Y & ANTI-HUMAN WRIT+S ?IS SIDE ( FASCISM -- ,I'VE EV5 READ PRIMITIVI/S WRIT+ (F ! DEA? ( ! MASS ( ! WORLDS POPULATION ON ! GR\NDS ?AT 0QUITE A FEW ( ?OSE #e4#i BILLION >E JU/ EMPTY %ELLS0 .<#b#e.>4 ,BUT EV5 ! BE/ ( ! WRIT+S (F] NO MORE ?AN SOME 9T]E/+ IDEAS TO POND] OV] -- IDEAS ?AT HAVE BE5 >\ND = ! LA/ #b YE>S4 

,!RE >E REAL PROBLEMS ASSOCIAT$ ) ! GR[? ( ! HUMAN POPULATION & ! WA/EFUL NATURE ( CAPITALISM4 ,WE >E ALREADY SEE+ ! EM]G5CE ( LONG-T]M 5VIRONM5TAL PROBLEMS EV5 IF ! 5D IS NOT YET NI<4 ,BUT BAD AS ! EFFECTS ON ! 5VIRONM5T >E1 ! REAL %AME IS ?AT WE LIVE ON A PLANET :]E MILLIONS />VE 9 ORD] ?AT A T9Y RUL+ CLASS CAN LIVE 9 ABSOLUTE LUXURY4 

,AN>*ISM (F]S AN ALT]NATIVE TO ! CAPITALI/ SY/EM -- AN ALT]NATIVE ?AT CAN PROVIDE A DEC5T LIFE = EV]YONE ON ! PLANET BO? 9 T]MS ( MAT]IAL GOOD & CONTROL OV] !IR [N LIVES4 ,BUT A*IEV+ ?IS ALT]NATIVE IS NOT A QUE/ION ( WAIT+ = PEOPLE TO RISE UP -- IT IS A QUE/ION ( ORGANIZ+ ! VA/ MAJORITY ( ! PLANET AGA9/ ! T9Y ELITE :O RULE US4 

,AN>*I/ COMMUNISM PROVIDES ! BE/ HOPE = FRE$OM & ! BE/ MODEL = FI<T+ = FRE$OM4 ,IT DI/ILLS ! LESSONS ( HUNDR$S ( YE>S ( /RUGGLE -- & ( ALL ! SUCCESSES & FAIL+ ( !SE /RUGGLES4 ,IT DOES NOT HAVE '! ANSW]'2 ?AT IS SOME?+ ?AT CAN ONLY BE CREAT$ BY ! SELF-MANAG$ /RUGGLE ( ! MASS ( ! POPULATION ( ?IS PLANET4 ,\R ROLE IS TO HELP ! EM]G5CE ( ?IS /RUGGLE4 

  

.<#a.> ,! FIR/ COMM5T 9 REPLY TO ! PO/+ ( ! >TICLE ON ,AN>*I/ ,NEWS APPE>S TO BE FROM ,Z]ZAN 7IT'S PO/$ ANONYM\SLY BUT REF]S TO ',I' 9 DISPUT+ :AT ,Z]ZAN HAS SAID & IS SIGN$ ,J,Z74 ,M9D Y\ IT C\LD BE ANO!R PRIMITIVI/ IMP]SONAT+ HIM -- !Y DO A FAIR BIT ( ?AT4 AN>*I/NEWS4ORG 

.<#b.> ,AT AN>*I/NEWS4ORG -- 9 FACT ',>AGON' MAY SIMPLY NOT UND]/& :AT WAS SAID 9 ! ORIG9AL AS ! REALI/IC ALT]NATIVE REF]R$ TO WAS 9 RELATION TO CURR5T SOCIETY & NOT SOCIAL REVOLUTION I4E4 0,FAC+ ?IS *ALL5GE AN>*I/S NE$ TO FIR/ LOOK TO SEE IF PRIMITIVISM (F]S ANY SORT ( REALI/IC ALT]NATIVE TO ! WORLD AS IT IS40 

.<#c.> ,NOTE ?AT ?IS IS AN OPTIMI/IC MAXIMUM -- QUITE (T5 ,I MULTIPLI$ ! REAL PROBABLE MAXIMUM BY A FIGURE ( T5 TO AVOID PO9TLESS >GUM5TS AS TO :E!R ,IREL& = 9/ANCE C\LD SUPPORT #b1 HUNT] GA!RS RA!R ?AN ! #g1 MY FIGURES W\LD CALCULATE \T4 ,I M5TION ?IS BECAUSE ! FOLKS OV] AT ,LIB,COM4ORG DIDN'T GET :AT ,I WAS DO+ & 'CORRECT$' MY ]ROR 9 ! $IT$ V]SION !Y PUBLI%$ AT WWW4LIBCOM4ORG 

.<#d.> ,BY ?IS ,I MEAN ! P]SUASION ME*ANISM PROPOS$ ASSUMES SOME =M ( GLOBAL COMMUNICATION 9 ORD] TO REA* EV]YONE ON ! PLANET -- SOME?+ ?AT DOES NOT YET EXI/ & SOME =M ( NE> #a.0 RELIABLE CONTRACEPTION ?AT EV]YONE ON ! PLANET C\LD HAVE ACCESS TO -- SOME?+ ELSE ?AT DOES NOT YET EXI/6 

.<#e.> ,:AT IS IT ) ACADEMICS & ! USE ( OBSCURE ,LAT98 ,SEE MY REM>KS ON ?IS 9 MY REVIEW ( ',EMPIRE' AT WWW4/RUGGLE4WS 

.<#f.> ,SEE NOTE #a4 

.<#g.> ,ISSUE _?#f ( ,! ',A' ,WORD ,MAGAZ9E1 ?IS 9T]VIEW ONL9E AT CR[4RISEUP4NET 

.<#h.> ,D]RICK ,J5S51 ,RIPP+ UP ,ASPHALT & ,PLANT+ ,G>D5S1 ,OCT #b#e1 ONL9E AT WWW4RAISE!HAMM]4ORG 

.<#i.> ,IT SEEMS FAIR 5\< TO DESCRIBE ,J5S5 AS A FOLL[] ( ,Z]ZAN AS ,J5S5 HAS DESCRIB$ ,Z]ZAN AS 0,! BE/ AN>*I/ ?9K] ( \R TIME01 0! MO/ IMPORTANT AN>*I/ ?9K] ( \R TIME0 OR MORE FRANKLY 0,I LOVE ALL ( ,Z]ZAN'S BOOKS1 BUT ,I ?9K ,I LOVE ?IS ONE ! BE/40 ,9 HIS REVIEW ( ,Z]ZAN'S ',AGA9/ ,CIVILIZATION3 ,READ+S & ,REFLECTIONS0 = ,AMAZON4COM 

.<#a.> ,D]RICK ,J5S5 9T]VIEWS ,JOHN ,Z]ZAN 1 ,ALT]NATIVE ,PRESS ,REVIEW1 AT WWW4ALTPR4ORG ,GIV5 ?AT ! ,WIKIP$IA 5TRY ON 'AN>*O' PRIMITIVISM 9CLUDES 09 ! ,UNIT$ ,/ATES PRIMITIVISM HAS BE5 NOTABLY ADVOCAT$ BY WRIT] ,JOHN ,Z]ZAN & TO A LESS] EXT5T AU?OR ,D]RICK ,J5S50 ,I F9D ,Z]ZAN'S IMPLI$ CLAIM 9 HIS REPLY TO ME TO HAVE =GOTT5 ,J5S5 & :AT HE HAS TO SAY 9CR$IBLE -- BUT MAYBE !Y HAVE FALL5 \T8 

.<#a#a.> ,GLOBALIZATION & ITS APOLOGI/S4  ,AN ABOLITIONI/ P]SPECTIVE1 BY ,JOHN ,Z]ZAN1 ONL9E AT WWW49SURG5TDESIRE4ORG4UK 

.<#a#b.> ,TEAPOLITIK 9 ! ?IRD COMM5T ON ! ,AN>*I/,NEWS PO/+ & 9 SOME ( ! O!R PLACES MY ORIG9AL ESSAY WAS PO/$ E4G4 WWW4LIVEJ\RNAL4COM ,TEAPOLITIK ALSO SAYS 0,I AM NOT A PRIMITIVI/0 9 SOME V]SIONS ( ?IS REPLY4 ,JOE ,LIC5TIA :O ALSO SAYS 0,I'M NOT A PRIMITIVI/0 ALSO QUE/IONS MY EQUAT+ ( AGRICULTURE ) CIVILIZATION 9 HIS ',CRITIQUE ( 0,CIVILIZATION1 ,PRIMITIVISM & AN>*ISM0 ONL9E AT QUE/ION-EV]Y?+4MAHO/4ORG 

.<#a#c.> ,SEE PREC$+ NOTE4 

.<#a#d.> ,BAKUN9 9 ,R\SSEAU'S ,!ORY ( ! ,/ATE ONL9E AT DW>DMAC4PITZ]4$U 

.<#a#e.> ,AN>*I/ ,COMMUNISM3 ,ITS ,BASIS & ,PR9CIPLES BY ,PET] ,KROPOTK9 ONL9E AT WWW4ZABALAZA4NET 

.<#a#f.> ,E4G4 ,H]ETIC PO/+ ON ! 9FO%OP4ORG PO/+ ( ! ORIG9AL ESSAY -- ONL9E AT WWW49FO%OP4ORG 

.<#a#g.> ONL9E AT PEAKOIL4COM 

.<#a#h.> ,= 9/ANCE ,I'M NOT T]RIBLY 9T]E/$ 9 CRITIQUES LIKE ?AT ( ,HE9EK5 7AT PEAKOIL4COM7 :O WORRY AB\T MY 0$UCATIONAL BACKGR\ND & !RE=E ( ! AU?ORITATIV5ESS ( Y\R COMM5T>Y04 ,HE ASS]TS ?AT 0MANY WRIT]S LIKE ,FLOOD DO NOT SEEM TO HAVE MU* TRA9+ 9 BIOLOGY OR ECOLOGY0 AS IF ?IS %\LD EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM COMM5T+ ON SU* ISSUES4 ,!Y >E JU/ ANO!R V]SION ( ! SORT ( ANONYM\S COMM5T LEFT ON ,AN>*I/ ,NEWS ?AT ASS]T$ 0:O BY N[1 DOESN'T KN[ ?AT &REW FLOOD IS AN IDIOT8 44 TRY NOT TO 9NUNDATE ?IS BO>D ) SU* OBVI\SLY SUP]C$$ NONS5SE AS JU/ AB\T EV]Y?+ WRITT5 BY FLOOD & HIS CRET9\S SUPPORT]S40 

.<#a#i.> ,VEGAN ,HOBO -- WWW4AN>KISMO4NET 

.<#b.> ,SEE PREC$+ NOTE4 

.<#b#a.> ',NUMB]3 ,ITS ,ORIG9 & ,EVOLUTION' AT WWW4PRIMITIVISM4COM 

.<#b#b.> ',PA9T$ ,LADIES'1 ,NEW ,SCI5TI/ ,OCT #b#a1 ONL9E AT HOMEPAGES4UEL4AC4UK 

.<#b#c.> WWW4MNH4SI4$U 

.<#b#d.> ,! REAL LOOT+ ( ,NEW ,ORLEANS BEG9S ONL9E AT WWW4AN>KISMO4NET 

.<#b#e.> ,ANON 9 ! DEBATE AB\T ,J5S5 AT AN>*I/NEWS4ORG 

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