,CO-OP]ATIVES & CONFLICTS6 ,PEOPLE 3 ,AU?OR 3 ,IA9 ,MC,KAY ,TEXT 3 ,I'M NOT SURE :E!R ,JOSEPH ,KAY 70,CO-OPS OR CONFLICTS801 ,FRE$OM VOL4 #f#i1 ,NO4 #b#c-#d7 ACTUALLY READ MY >TICLE ON CO-OP]ATIVES BE=E WRIT+ HIS PIECE4 ,I W\LD GUESS NOT1 AS IT HAS ! FEEL ( A /&>D LIB]T>IAN COMMUNI/ RESPONSE AGA9/ CO-OP]ATIVES )9 CAPITALISM4 ,IF SO1 ?AT IS A %AME AS ,I MAY NE$ TO REPEAT MYSELF SOME:AT AS ! ANALYSIS ,I PRES5T$ WAS NOT REALLY ADDRESS$4 ,I HAD HOP$ ?AT MY >TICLE 70,BAIL\TS OR CO-OP]ATIVES807 HAD MADE CLE> ?AT SUGGE/+ CO-OP]ATIVES WAS A %ORT-T]M SOLUTION = ?OSE WORK]S FAC+ CLOS+ WORKPLACES OR :OSE BOSSES >E SEEK+ BAIL\TS4 ,I DID NOT ADDRESS ! ISSUE ( 7SO-CALL$7 0SELF-MANAG$ EXPLOITATION0 SIMPLY BECAUSE ?AT IS A DIFF]5T QUE/ION1 RELAT+ TO ! ISSUE ( CO-OP]ATIVES )9 CAPITALISM & ! FUTURE LIB]T>IAN SOCIETY4 ,AS MY ORIG9AL >TICLE ADDRESS$ NEI!R ISSUE4 ,9/EAD IT WAS A CALL = ACTION1 PLUS AN EXPLANATION :Y CO-OP]ATIVES W]E A VALID SOCIALI/ ALT]NATIVE TO BAIL-\TS & NATIONALIZATION )9 ! CURR5T CRISIS4 ,FIR/LY1 ,I DO NE$ TO PO9T \T A FEW CONTRADICTIONS 9 HIS >GUM5T4 ,HE PROCLAIMS ?AT WE >E 09 NO POSITION TO DEM& ANY?+4 ,AS A T9Y M9ORITY 9 ! CLASS1 \R 'CALLS' = ?IS OR ?AT >E IMPOT5T CRIES40 ,YET1 )\T IRONY1 HE RAISES V>I\S 0,COMMUNI/ DEM&S0 WE %\LD BE MAK+6 ,:AT IS IT TO BE8 ,>E WE 9 NO POSITION TO DEM& ANY?+ OR CAN WE RAISE DEM&S8 ,I ASSUME ! LATT]1 :I* MEANS ?AT HIS REAL OBJECTION TO DEM&S TO CREATE CO-OP]ATIVES IS ?AT HE OPPOSES ?AT SPECIFIC DEM&4 ,KEY SUGGE/S ?AT 0,COMMUNI/ DEM&S >E CONCRETE1 MAT]IAL DEM&S REFLECT+ \R NE$S AS WORK]S40 ,APP>5TLY AVOID+ UNEMPLOYM5T DOES NOT REFLECT \R NE$S AS WORK]S4 ,IS HE S]I\SLY SUGGE/+ ?AT WORK]S1 FAC$ ) ! CLOSURE ( !IR WORKPLACES1 %\LD SIMPLY COLLECT !IR ,P#d#eS & HEAD /RAI*I/S IS NOT ONLY TO NOT SUGGE/ OCCUPATIONS BUT TO OPPOSE !M AS 0PETIT-B\RGEOIS08 ,OR ?AT WE %\LD BE 9DIFF]5T :5 PUBLIC 7\R67 MONEY IS US$ TO BAIL\T ! MUPPETS :O GOT US 9TO ?IS CRISIS TO BEG9 )8 ,SOME:AT IRONICALLY1 HE LI/S SOME 0CONCRETE MAT]IAL DEM&S0 WE %\LD 0MAKE0 7=GETT+ ?AT WE >E 09 NO POSITION TO DEM& ANY?+071 NAMELY 0NO TO JOB LOSSES1 WAGE CUTS1 PUBLIC S]VICE CUTS & EVICTIONS40 ,NO EVICTIONS8 ,LIKE :5 BOSSES CLOSE !IR WORKPLACES & EVICT !IR WORK]S FROM !M8 ,& H[ W\LD WE 5SURE NO EVICTIONS8 ,P]HAPS BY OCCUPATION8 ,& H[ >E ! OCCUPI]S TO RESI/ ! RESULT+ 0WAGE CUTS0 ?IS W\LD CREATE 7,I D\BT ! BOSSES W\LD PAY !M WAGES78 ,P]HAPS BY RESUM+ PRODUCTION UND] !IR [N CONTROL8 ,SURELY OCCUPATION ( WORKPLACES 9 ! FACE ( CLOSURE IS BUT ONE ( MANY 0CONCRETE MAT]IAL DEM&S0 AN>*I/S %\LD BE RAIS+8 ,& ?AT IS A KEY PO9T4 ,I NEV] SUGGE/$ ?AT SUPPORT+ CO-OP]ATIVES WAS ! ONLY TACTIC WE C\LD MAKE 9 ! CURR5T CRISIS4 ,F> FROM IT6 ,NE$ ,I PO9T \T ?AT DECID+ TO TURN Y\R WORKPLACE 9TO A COOP]ATIVE 9VOLVES BO? ! 0ADVOCACY ( COLLECTIVE ACTION0 & 0MASS MEET+S08 ,NE$ ,I PO9T \T ?AT IT IS A =M ( DIRECT ACTION8 ,SO IT IS A CASE ( CO-OP]ATIVES & CONFLICT6 ,KAY >GUES ?AT CO-OP]ATIVES >E PO9TLESS UNLESS 0BACK$ BY A CLASS MOVEM5T CAPABLE ( IMPOS+ !M4 ,TO CALL = ?IS OR ?AT 9 ! ABS5CE ( SU* CLASS P[] IS TO GET AHEAD ( \RSELVES2 !RE >E MORE PRESS+ MATT]S AT H&40 ,YET1 AS ,I SUGGE/$1 RAIS+ ! DEM& ?AT ANY BAIL\T BE PREMIS$ ON TURN+ ! FIRM 9TO A COOP]ATIVE IS A MEANS ( 5C\RAG+ ! =MATION ( SU* A MOVEM5T1 A MOVEM5T WE CAN BO? AGREE IS SADLY LACK+ JU/ N[4 ,NOR CAN IT BE CONSID]$ GETT+ AHEAD ( \RSELVES TO SUGGE/ POSSIBLE LIB]T>IAN SOLUTIONS TO ! 0PRESS+ MATT]S0 ( BAIL\TS1 WORKPLACE CLOSURES & UNEMPLOYM5T6 ,SO NE$ ,I SAY ?AT MY SUGGE/ION = CO-OP]ATIVES WAS AIM$ AT 5C\RAG+ WORK]S TO ACT = !MSELVES1 TO GET !M TO F9D !IR [N SOLUTIONS TO ! PROBLEMS CAUS$ BY ! CURR5T CRISIS8 ,AS SU*1 ,I AGREE ) ,KAY ?AT 0\R ACTIVITY %\LD BE AIM$ AT 9CREAS+ ! CONFID5CE1 P[] & COMBATIVITY ( ! WID] CLASS40 ,OPPOS+ BAIL\TS & CLOSURES ) DEM&S = OCCUPATIONS & CO-OP]ATIVES IS P>T ( ?AT1 ,I W\LD SUGGE/4 ,KAY SP5DS SOME TIME DISCUSS+ ! LIMITATIONS ( CO-OP]ATIVES4 ,CAPITAL1 HE >GUES1 0CANNOT BE MANAG$ 9 \R 9T]E/S1 SO IT IS PO9TLESS TO TRY40 ,YET1 AS BO? ,PR\DHON & ,M>X MADE CLE>1 CO-OP]ATIVES >E NOT CAPITALI/3 0,LET US SUPPOSE ! WORK]S >E !MSELVES 9 POSSESSION ( !IR RESPECTIVE MEANS ( PRODUCTION & EX*ANGE !IR COMMODITIES ) ONE ANO!R4 ,!SE COMMODITIES W\LD NOT BE PRODUCTS ( CAPITAL40 7,M>X1 ,CAPITAL1 VOL4 #c1 P4 #b#g#f7 ,SUGGE/+ ?AT WORK]S FAC$ ) UNEMPLOYM5T =M CO-OP]ATIVES H>DLY MEANS1 TO QUOTE ,KAY1 ?AT 0,CLASS /RUGGLE - & ) IT ! POT5TIAL = REVOLUTION>Y *ANGE - IS %ORT-CIRCUIT$40 ,DOES HE REALLY ?9K ?AT ! /ATE OR CAPITAL WILL HAPPILY LET WORK]S EXPROPRIATE !IR WORKPLACES8 ,I D\BT IT4 ,I NOT$ H[ ,KROPOTK9 SUGGE/$ UNION CONTROL AS AN ALT]NATIVE TO ,NATIONALIZATION1 ,I %\LD ALSO PO9T \T ?AT 9 ! #a#h#hS ,5GELS SUGGE/$ AS A RE=M ! PUTT+ ( PUBLIC WORKS & /ATE-[N$ L& 9TO ! H&S ( WORK]S' CO-OP]ATIVES RA!R ?AN CAPITALI/S4 7,COLLECT$ ,WORKS1 VOL4 #d#g1 P4 #b#c#i74 ,SO1 REALLY1 W]E BO? ,KROPOTK9 & ,5GELS ADVOCAT+ ! 5D+ ( ! WORK+ CLASS AS A 0POT5TIALLY REVOLUTION>Y CLASS0 & ! 5D ( 0CLASS ANTAGONISM0 :5 !Y SUGGE/$ CO-OP]ATIVES AS AN ALT]NATIVE TO NATIONALIZATION8 ,I D\BT IT4 ,KAY SUGGE/S ?AT 0(T5 RAIS$ AS A SORT ( 9T]M$IATE1 'REALI/IC' DEM& %ORT ( REVOLUTION0 BUT ?AT 0WORK]S' CONTROL UND] CAPITALISM IS SIMPLY SELF-MANAG$ EXPLOITATION0 & ?AT 0E/ABLI%+ A CO-OP0 W\LD BE 0SWAPP+ ONE =M ( ALI5ATION = ANO!R1 PROLET>IAN = PETIT-B\RGEOIS40 ,I PLEAD GUILTY TO ! FIR/ *>GE1 AL?\< ,I /RESS ?AT MY SUGGE/ION WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BR+ A REVOLUTION CLOS] BY 5C\RAG+ DIRECT ACTION BY WORK]S - 9 O!R WORDS1 ,I AM NOT AIM+ = 0WORK]S' CONTROL UND] CAPITALISM0 BUT RA!R WORK]S' CONTROL 7AMONG O!R TACTICS7 AS A /EP T[>DS 5D+ CAPITALISM4 ,AS = 0SELF-MANAG$ EXPLOITATION01 ?AT IS JU/ CONFUS$4 0,SELF-MANAG$ EXPLOITATION IS NOT JU/ A NEAT TURN ( PHRASE01 ,KEY ASS]TS BUT ,I DISAGREE4 ,HE IS CONFUS+ ! FACT M>KET =CES W\LD /ILL EXI/ & RULE WORK]S' LIVES 7& ?IS IS A S]I\S OBJECTION7 ) CAPITAL_/WAGE LABOR & SO EXPLOITATION 79 AN AN>*I/ OR ,M>XI/ S5SE ( EXPROPRIATION ( SURPLUS BY NON-PRODUC]S74 ,HE >GUES ?AT 0CAPITAL RULES SOCIAL LIFE0 V]TICALLY 0?R\< ! P]SON ( ! BOSS0 & HORIZONTALLY 0?R\< M>KET =CES01 YET DO ,I REALLY NE$ TO PO9T \T ?AT CAPITALISM IS A MODE ( PRODUCTION1 NOT A MODE ( DI/RIBUTION8 ,M>KETS EXI/$ BE=E CAPITALISM & A SELF-EMPLOY$ >TISAN WORK+ HIS [N TOOLS IS NOT EXPLOIT$ BY A CAPITALI/4 ,HE >GUES ?AT IS WE TURN HIS WORKPLACE 09TO A CO-OP1 ?OSE SAME M>KET =CES CAUS+ MY BOSS TO MAKE CUTS W\LD /ILL BE !RE1 BUT WE W\LD HAVE NOBODY TO SAY NO TO :5 UND] PRESSURE TO 9CREASE ! RATE ( EXPLOITATION TO SURVIVE 9 A HO/ILE M>KET40 ,REALLY8 ,IS HE SAY+ ?AT WORK]S' W\LD MAKE ! SAME DECISIONS AS A BOSS W\LD 9 ! SAME CIRCUM/ANCE8 ,ULTIMATELY1 HIS >GUM5T IS ID5TICAL TO ! APOLOGI/S ( CAPITALISM - BOSSES HAVE NO P[]1 ! M>KET IS SUPREME4 ,YET ?IS IS FALSE - M>KET =CES MAY CAUSE BOSSES TO ACT 9 C]TA9 WAYS1 BUT BE+ A BOSS %APES ANY DECISIONS MADE4 ,IF ?AT W]E NOT ! CASE !N :Y W\LD WE NE$ UNIONS8 ,WE W\LD NOT BE ABLE TO GA9 ANY RE=MS1 = ! BOSS W\LD BE SIMPLY PASS+ ON ! DEM&S ( 0M>KET =CES06 ,BUT WE KN[ BETT] ?AN ?AT4 ,! ISSUE ( 0M>KET =CES0 DOES RAISE ! QUE/ION ( :E!R BOSSES PRACTICE 0SELF-MANAG$ EXPLOITATION0 :5 !Y MAKE DECISIONS !Y DISLIKE 7= EXAMPLE1 NOT TO BUY ?AT ?IRD HOLIDAY H\SE BUT RA!R MAKE 9VE/M5TS 9 !IR COMPANY TO KEEP IT PR(ITABLE78 ,IS CAPITALI/ 9VE/M5T 0EXPLOITATION0 ( ! CAPITALI/8 ,KAY'S >GUM5TS W\LD1 ,I ?9K1 LEAD US TO CONCLUDE ?AT IT IS - :I* %[S ITS WEAKNESS4 ,HE >GUES ?AT 0IF ! FIRM HAS RES\RCES0 !N WE %\LD 0DEM& ! CONCRETE MAT]IAL ?+S WE WANT40 ,YET MY >GUM5T WAS PRIM>ILY RELAT$ TO :5 FIRMS >E AB\T TO GO BU/4 ,IS HE REALLY SUGGE/+ ?AT RA!R ?AN EXPROPRIATE ! BOSS1 WE JU/ ACCEPT \R ,P#d#eS8 ,ALL 9 ALL1 ,I AM SURPRIS$ ?AT A MEMB] ( ! ,SOLID>ITY ,F$]ATION W\LD RESI/ SUGGE/IONS TO EXPROPRIATE CAPITAL1 TO OPPOSE CALLS = WORK]S TO OCCUPY !IR WORKPLACES1 TO BE QUIET :5 ! /ATE BAIL\TS OR NATIONALIZES CAPITALI/ FIRMS4 ,9 SUMM>Y1 ,I W\LD SUGGE/ OPPOS+1 RA!R ?AN SUPPORT+1 CO-OP]ATIVES IS 0NOT A /EPP+ /ONE1 BUT A CUL-DE-SAC40 ,I FEEL HE IS CONFUS+ ! NOTION ( PIECEMEAL RE=M BY CO-OP]ATIVES ) A RESPONSE TO R$UNDANCIES ,I HAVE ADVOCAT$ 7H5CE HIS COMM5T ?AT 0LIKE NATIONALIZATION1 WORK]S' CONTROL IS NOT A DEM& BAS$ ON \R CONCRETE MAT]IAL NE$S AS A CLASS1 IT IS JU/ AB\T H[ CAPITAL %\LD BE MANAG$074 ,P]HAPS IT C\LD BE >GU$ ?AT EXPROPRIAT+ WORKPLACES 9 A NON-REVOLUTION>Y SITUATION IS A BAD IDEA1 YET :Y IS IT A NON-REVOLUTION>Y SITUATION8 ,P]HAPS BECAUSE WORK]S >E NOT EXPROPRIAT+ !IR WORKPLACES8 ,ALL 9 ALL1 ,I FEEL ?AT MY SUGGE/ION = CO-OP]ATIVES AS A PRACTICAL ALT]NATIVE = LIB]T>IANS REMA9S VALID4 ,PROVID$1 ( C\RSE1 ?AT !Y >E SE5 AS ONE =M ( MANY K9DS ( DIRECT ACTION & SOLID>ITY4 ,\R FOCUS %\LD BE1 !N1 CO-OP]ATIVES & CONFLICTS ) BO? SUPPORT+ EA* O!R 9 AN ATTEMPT TO FIR/ BUILD ! 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